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PTC Discussion => General PTC Chat. => Topic started by: Titito on August 08, 2011, 07:00:28 AM
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Hello,
My (user)name is Titito,
I would LOVE to create one nice ptc where is possible to pay a good click value so members can make good money, and ptc continues sustainable. =D>
For that i need the help of everybody in the house. That will be a real good thing for me, for you, for everybody if we can create here the bases of that PTC. What do you say? When we all agree that the "formula" found after some discussion doesn't change much more, then i assume the obligation to create such ptc (i will create one anyway. It just would be better if EVERYBODY loves it, not just me).
I want to hear your ideas and comments, not just my comments.
(Please God, we are :praying: for one good result here, that give us that ptc where we can earn "$", not just "cents" ::1cent)
:thinking: Let's start giving ideas now :money_eyes:. Thanks
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I would LOVE to create one nice ptc where is possible to pay a good click value
And what is good click value for you 0.01 per ad :P ?
Ads should be cheap on an ptc site and click ratio therefore should be low.
It just would be better if EVERYBODY loves him, not just me)
Love who ?
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He is from Portugal. "he" might be the site.
In Portuguese, "It" is pejorative.
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I would LOVE to create one nice ptc where is possible to pay a good click value
And what is good click value for you 0.01 per ad :P ?
yes, I think $ 0.01 for standard members was not bad! Of course, if we (here) find a formula for paying $ 0.05 or more, I will apply it.
This is for Standards, because for upgraded certainly want more, and by my count, this is not where the problem lies in ptc sites.
Why, what is your opinion? $ 0.01 is too much, too little, is vulgar, is unsustainable? What do you think about this value? :thinking:
Ads should be cheap on an ptc site and click ratio therefore should be low.
well, for that matter i do not agree at all that the ads have to have a low value in ptc sites.
This is why? Because the price list was established with the competition, but still are wide variations in prices charged for advertising.
To solve this, is a question of thinking "outside the box" because it has to be possible, since if advertising in a newspaper of paper for example, the amounts charged are quite different from those usually applied in ptc sites :bang
It just would be better if EVERYBODY loves him, not just me)
Love who ?
=D>
You are absolutely right!!! I should have warned early, that my English is not the best, is very bad actually. Thanks for the reminder :-bd
What about suggestions? Have you any creative suggestion that you remember right now? Even if you think it doesn't worth it, is always good to post it because make people think if it is good / no good and in the process remember other ideas / suggestions... :typing
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He is from Portugal. "he" might be the site.
In Portuguese, "It" is pejorative.
=D>
Thank you for your understanding PapaiMark!!! :angel:
Do not want to enjoy and also leave your suggestion? After all this is a topic for just that ... Help us find the perfect formula for PTC!
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;D so you think you "will survive" ? Just kidding your avatar.
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Well, keep in mind that great minds (and stupids too, of course) already tried
to establish sites of 1 cent ad or more.
From thousands and thousands, you can count with your fingers the sites that pays 1 cent during more than one year. Even Neo, Wordlinx and clixsense are not able to keep 1 cent ads anymore.
If you try, will fail in few months.
If you choose a forced upgrade or a pay-to-be-paid, it won´t be popular.
The difference from newspaper to virtual goods has already been exhaustively debated by Linux fans.
So, if you can do it, you may teach me. I don´t know.
Take a look around. There is a lot to learn in this forum.
Good luck and I hope to read many replies here too.
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So, you had notice my avatar, eheheh!!! Yes i Hope i will survive.
It is better to all of us if i can not just survive, but expand in stead of survive construction I know I have to fight for it, but I hope to count on some of the things I will learn here.
Of course that i am not an experienced guy on creating ptc, but keep one thing in mind, when someone first discover how to use fire in his benefit, NOBODY would believe in such thing, but the truth is that he (that someone) had really done it!!! =D>
I have already some ideas of mine of how to make work such ptc!!!
Some of those ideas i had never seen be used before. There is one exception... One recent new site that used one of such group of ideas, and the result was that in few hours it had much more members clicking than all the other ptcs in one month =D>, but then again it was no surprise considering the long experience that admni has....
But one thing is ideas about the work that admni has to have behind the scene, and the other is ideas of how to please all members in order to call new members to click!!! Those are the kind of ideas i hope to hear here, so i could implant them and gain one big portion of online clickers satisfied.
From what I see, you are a person with experience in these matters, so I would ask your cooperation in moving forward with an idea that you think to be enjoy by the most, you thought possible to implement. Consider this a personal challenge and comes up with a really original idea, as I said before, "outside the box"
Best Regards (Please apologise my english, because is very basic)
Titito
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:o :-\ :'( ::popcorn ::1cent :mmmm :frustrated: ::goodboy :-h
Well, it seems that either nobody has an idea, or are embarrassed. And I do not say may also be because they are not interested in a good ptc because not want to believe such a thing ...
Just an observation, the ideas do not need to be new, just need to be commented in a positive :-bd or negative ::swearing way, so i know which I should use. I do not expect to find gunpowder here ... just want to know which directives are most appreciated by the public / general clicker. =D>
Never mind, I give the kick-off. :happy
One idea which I think is appreciated by all is the possibility to move money from the balance account for the purchase account, but there's nothing like people saying they like it or not. ::1cent
However sometimes we may face a situation where the software / script does not allow this option. In this case, i suggest that it can be achieved through a transfer made by the admin, whenever it was requested to do so through a support ticket. :typing
Agree? Do not agree? Why? What about the transfer from one account to another in the normalway?
Waiting for some feedback! ::goodboy
(apologise my bad English)
Titito
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Why, what is your opinion? $ 0.01 is too much, too little, is vulgar, is unsustainable? What do you think about this value?
Not many are willing pay lots of money for a few click 0.01 is 10 $ per 1000 views + referrals earnings you will nead to charge atleast 15-25 per 1000 wiews.
good ptc because not want to believe such a thing ...
I just dont belive in the bux model where main income is from sell referrals and meambership such sites is beckuse prices on ads is to high
not even the bigger sites can keap it up anymore
as PapaiMark say
Neo, Wordlinx and clixsense are not able to keep 1 cent ads anymore.
was that in few hours it had much more members clicking than all the other ptcs in one month
Am sure you can get plenty of clickers when use 0.01 per click only problem it gonna cost you 10 per 1000 views if you gonna use self sponsored 0.01 ads >:)
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Here's another suggestion to discuss the utility.
Just as we saw in those headers homepage symbols / icons on the "Bux Essentials", "refund protect", "X-year subscription" and more, what do you think if there was an icon with the appearance of "Webutation" with color-coded according to the percentage inscribed risk? Or maybe a small screen registered with relevant information? Of course it would be more to the ptc world and not as general as the example. It could for example get information to the "whois lookup" or "website informer."
What do you think of this suggestion?
By the way, if any programmer see this that might be found capable of the task, please say here if you think that it's possible to accomplish. Identify yourself as a programmer interested and I then get in touch, with details to get something done. construction
I await your feedback
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FireFox has thousands of plugins. You may find what you want if you spend enough time.
Flagfox is a clickable icon to fast whois info. It fits inside the address bar. Just click on the icon and a new tab will open with the whois info of the site you are viewing. You can add or remove other sites to the icon and specify how they will open.
Just a note: Be careful with Webutation, wot and sites like this. When someone gets upset, put a complaint but no one returns to solve the complaint or to praise, except for the site owner in disguise.
And who will set the risk level? That is another problem. What is crap for one may be glorious to others.
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Hy hatriuos :-bd
Thank you for participating =D>
"Not many are willing pay lots of money for a few click 0.01 is 10 $ per 1000 views + referrals earnings you will nead to charge atleast 15-25 per 1000 wiews."
We must understand and accept that even "God" that is "God" can not please everyone, and already my grandmother used to say that you can not make an omelet without breaking eggs ... ::popcorn
Of course to pay good values click ads must have a little more expensive than other sites. and of course there will be people who do not like it, but on the other hand, those who believe in a ptc so if can maintain sustainable, are much more satisfied than a cheap and ptc ads with low click values as well.
I think the benefits are worth the risk that the site becomes untenable.
"I just dont belive in the bux model where main income is from sell referrals and meambership such sites is beckuse prices on ads is to highnot even the bigger sites can keap it up anymore."
No, I do not believe that this system has to do with the fact that the script being BuxHost. We also see so many BuxHost with very low click values (less than $ 0001).
The issue is not in the script but the pricing scheme used, and this is a matter of finding the perfect balance. Not to charge $ 25 / $ 30 per 1000ads to have cheap upgrades, nor have ads at cost and earn money on upgrades. I do not believe in selling refs. I think it is not good for either party. Renting is much safer and economically viable ::1cent
"Am sure you can get plenty of clickers when use 0.01 per click only problem it gonna cost you 10 per 1000 views if you gonna use self sponsored 0.01 ads."
Then you believe that a site works best with lower values? What if all the values go up in equal measure costs and gains, a site that you believe?
And in the script, rather than see the aurora, or do you suggest another less classical solution? :typing
Thank you for participating
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FireFox has thousands of plugins. You may find what you want if you spend enough time.
Flagfox is a clickable icon to fast whois info. It fits inside the address bar. Just click on the icon and a new tab will open with the whois info of the site you are viewing. You can add or remove other sites to the icon and specify how they will open.
Just a note: Be careful with Webutation, wot and sites like this. When someone gets upset, put a complaint but no one returns to solve the complaint or to praise, except for the site owner in disguise.
And who will set the risk level? That is another problem. What is crap for one may be glorious to others.
Hy PapaiMark,
Thank you for continuing to follow the topic.
Yes, I know, and also know the Flagfox, because I have it installed. However these are tools that the user has at his disposal and may or may not have installed. It may not have knowledge about them. Then there's the matter of the other browsers than firefox.
I was referring to an application to stay on the site and not the user. So was the sight of all, such as the examples I gave (bux essentials, refund protect ....).
As for the level of risk, then it is actually more delicate. It would have to be studied each situation, point to point. But it could be for example the ratio between the total number of domains from the admin about the number of closed domains / problems. So who closed indiscriminately sites would be marked negatively , but rewarded those who later continued to open new domains and kept us working (sign of stability).
It could also instead of an icon, be a small screen where he presented some of that information. And each one decided by your head.
To be honest, I think this option would still be fairer for everyone than simply assigning a qualitative value.
Don't you think the same way?
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Contests. What do you think of contests? :'(/ <:-P
I personally like, but not those kind where always win who get more refs. Because in this type of competition always wins who need less, because after all these winners know how to get refs, so they have all the help they need. ::dreams
I like it better that where gain the "John Doe" :confused:. They do not know what have to do to improve their situation on the site because they are not very good at getting refs on their own.
Thus, as there are many types of competitions, I would like you to suggest some that you would like to see in "our" ptc. On the other hand you can post only saying "I like / dislike contests" so i can make a kind of statistic, where we can see what the clickers like best. ( :-q/ :-bd)
I'm waiting for your contacts
(please apologise my bad english)
Titito
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Well, as it seems nobody wants to reply/sugest/coment anything, i will release one of those that i think it's one idea that can revolutionize the world of PTC sites. ::1cent
This is one of the ideas I'd rather keep to myself, but I want opinions / suggestions, so I'll put it here. ::bang
PTC sites revolve around advertising. Click to view websites.
But then what if it was a PTC about seeing short films? This is a new idea, but I've seen at least two sites of this kind. :exclamation:
And if it was a PTC where you click to download a file, which may be trash to delete (after completed its utility) or on a more interesting version, may be small pieces of films, which once downloaded can be all together again in the original film , and thus fulfill two functions, one as click on the PTC, and another as bonus for those who clicked all the downloads, because they get a movie to watch when they want. :-bd ::goodboy
This type have not seen anything like it. I've seen one of the genre of the files are garbage, but with the bonus of the movie (or music, or even any software) have not seen nothing yet.
Of course the click values are higher than normal in PTC, since it causes a higher consumption of time. :-*
What do you think of these ideas? Would they have the future if "our" PTC was this genre? You, would you clickers, join a PTC like this? :thinking:
I await your comments
Titito
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I totally agree with you this would probably be revolutionary, but it might cost quite a bit to start
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I was not going to reply because it is a very wide and controversial subject
But as Jack the Ripper would say, let´s go by parts:
> You noticed that I have a "free ref secrets" in my signature.
This is because many members came here inviting people to download it but to download it there is a extremely boring survey before. Once this is a ptc forum until now, I decided to give it for free to avoid this kind of annoyance. ::dreams
>Let me see if I understood:
You will be an intermediary between the clicker and a file hosting, right?
Well, let´s see how you do it.
There are hard problems to solve, like clickers bandwidth. Most clickers comes from regular, poor and very poor bandwidth countries. There are few US clickers.
I am not saying that it is bad, I am just saying that you will have hard problems to solve, like every business have. :typing
> The problem discussing magic formulas for ptcs is that we have already discussed it over and over and over again and it is a no-ending discussion. I think that is the reason for few replies. :hypnotized:
> Targeted users. (público-alvo) I think that if you remove Neo and Clixsense, there is no way to please every clicker. I suggest you to dedicate your work to one type of clicker. Focuses. If your idea works, then, little by little, you will naturally expand the type of audience, instead of trying to please everyone from the start.
> Don´t take me word by word. This is just a general comment with tons of variants. :D ::popcorn
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I actually forgot to say this, but what titito mentioned about how to combine file hosting with clicker. There is already a site that is doing it, but the site just started last month so is not really a big earner. So I do think that even with poor bandwidth it is still workable, since the file they are downloading are small and if the management know how to control and regulate those with poor bandwidth and those with good bandwidth. The site will probably reap a good earning on the long run
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what is PTC?
it is paid to click ,right?
which mean as i am the owner of the site ,i will pay you for each ad you click.
but what we have now ,i am going to pay you from the money you invest,right?
so that's why most of the sites scam.You can't open a sit depending on members money.members joined to make money or they hope they would.
to start a site you need to spend money and to have sponsor that is willing to pay members,other than that ,you will scam,no matter what.
no site yet has the right plan,it is just copying each others.the model 0.01 for each click is not working ,at the same time members would not join any site would not pay them 0.01 for each click.
you need to come up with a plan that no site has it yet...in one hand ,you pay members what they want 0.01 and at the same time you making money.
so how could we do that.?
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I totally agree with you this would probably be revolutionary, but it might cost quite a bit to start
It is, isn't it?
This kind of ideas is what can put the PTC world back in the mouth of the people again, and bring fresh new members, because right now whenever I talk to some friends about it they always say the same: this is scam!
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Hy again PapaiMark,
To make available the "free referral secrets" I think a lot of good taste. Congratulations on your initiative! :angel:
When it comes to problems, you already answered for me, all businesses have their own problems.
Some with no apparent solution, such as the low bandwidth of some countries ... I see no great solution for that. ::dreams
The people are fed up with discuss ptc formulas... I can not do anything about it. It is a fact. Period.
However, as this initiative is aimed at getting some ideas / choices so i can create a ptc that pleases the majority (because to please everyone is wishful thinking), for a few answers that I get, i've to try, or else it probably happens what you see every day out there, the sites change constantly. construction Even to the point of a website where I signed up to have begun with a good click value, then went through a phase of negligible value, which you/i was upgraded only once (for life) and were receiving commissions from the upgrades of our direct refs (for me it is called array. how many levels, is another matter), and finally moved back into the ptc classic style, but with a very low click value (almost remember NeoBux). All this in less than a month. I want to avoid this in mine, and just start already well targeted. :typing
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Of course we are here to discuss ideas, options, suggestions. I'm not saying that my ptc will be so, I'm just probing opinions. Naturally when there is a decision, pointing to her with all my strength and goes to 100%. No hiccups, because it undermines the confidence of clickers who want to make upgrades.
I would again thank the fact that to pursue this topic, but I did not notice if you approve of these ideas or not.... ::question
I'm waiting for your contacts
(please apologise my bad english)
Titito
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;D Thanks for the consideration but
I don´t know. I never joined a paid to download.
:-X
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Hy MelGibson
I never imagined that one day would be here to speak with one of my favorite actors on ptc ... I'm kidding. =:))
Welcome and thanks for participating. =D>
I see that you do not believe in the eventual success of PTC sites, so i think of why you are this here, if you do not believe .... No. The truth is that just believe in some proven models. Now this is all a question of mathematics and stretching boundaries, because once found a working formula is a matter of multiplying all the variables (costs and earnings) by a factor "x" which will give the desired values. Of course this is in theory. In practice, advertisers are not willing to suffer the increase of the factor "x" in their costs so that we only have a ptc more profitable. This regarding to classic PTC's. ::goodboy
In the model I mentioned earlier I am not paying members money to members. There is also an investment ours. In this case the investment would be file hoster and advertising. The income is provnient of file hoster payments for clicks given/downloads made. And one thing is for shure. This model may not give great profit, because we must pay clickers one confortable click value because it takes more time to do one download than to see one ad, but it also does not go scam, unless the admin just doesn't now maths. There aren't vaiables. Is all direct. The only variable but that admin can stop as he wish, is advertising!!! <):)
I can not believe, that in classical model all end up in ptc scam, so I am willing to invest in, but only after many accounts and many suggestions and thoughts. I already have some scripts borrowed by colleagues for me to better understand and study them so that there are no mistakes or unexpected accidents in the moment of truth. :bang
Were it not for the rule of not have links at the forum and I showed you an example of a ptc 0:01. It is working for months now and always pay well. It is not instantaneous but the delay of 4 / 5 days do not make any difference to me since it is already expected. :exclamation: However if you search for Referral Offers posted today in my (user)name, surely you will find the site I'm talking about :exclamation:
I'm waiting for your contacts
(please apologise my bad english)
Titito
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;D Thanks for the consideration but
I don´t know. I never joined a paid to download.
:-X
I never said it would be that model. That was just one idea for people to coment and try to put this topic going forward. :police
Most probably it will be classical model. Either Buxhost, gen, aurora, ptce, i dont know yet. i am studding the case. :typing
Nevertheless, i want to be with open mind and hear ALL sugestions and ideas. Thats why i posted that idea (that i think is very good. Just do not want to be a pioneer with my money ::1cent. yet
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Hello again, :-bd
This time i do not present an idea, but two options for the purpose of statistics. You are free to offer alternatives and comment or suggest other ideas.
At this point I am interested to know what people prefer. :mmmm
Based on a PTC with a high click value, if it makes a difference, what do you prefer:
1 - An upgrade where the PTC raises essentially the click value of the refs :money_eyes:
2 - An upgrade where the PTC raises essentially our personall click value ::1cent
I have no doubt that for maintenance / sustainability of the site is the best option 2. But here the intention is to please "customer." The task of maintaining sustainable ptc vabe the admin ::goodboy. With this in mind, say what you like best.
Waiting for your answers
Best regards
Titito
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My opp:
No upgrade at all. Just verified / non verified memberships. For advertisers, members with credit card / verified accounts have higher possibility to buy.
No upgrade will reveal soon if the site is stable or if it disappears, I suppose. No member loses except for time.
Pay to work or pay to be paid is one of the characteristics of ponzi schemes.
Investment is not for ptc, imo.
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Hy,
This post is just with the purpose of inform that starting yesterday i am in hollydays.
Here, where i am ,there isn't internet, so i moved to a next village just to post this last two messages, and inform you that PROBABLY i will not reply any more post until the end of the month.
I would LOVE to see that you people has started to sugest and coment new ideas, when i come back, so feel free to do so =D> . That would really make me <:-P and was good for you because in that way, my ptc would come just as youlike.
Ok, at least someone wish me nice holidays.
Post your coments. See you at the end of the month.
(If i were able to get one pc with internet access, i will post some new thing)
Best Regards
Titito
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My opp:
No upgrade at all. Just verified / non verified memberships. For advertisers, members with credit card / verified accounts have higher possibility to buy.
No upgrade will reveal soon if the site is stable or if it disappears, I suppose. No member loses except for time.
Hy, Thanks for posting
But i really didn't understand what you mean....!
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I don´t understand what you didn´t understand... ;D
Have fun ppapaimark ;)
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My opp:
No upgrade at all. Just verified / non verified memberships. For advertisers, members with credit card / verified accounts have higher possibility to buy.
No upgrade will reveal soon if the site is stable or if it disappears, I suppose. No member loses except for time.
Pay to work or pay to be paid is one of the characteristics of ponzi schemes.
Investment is not for ptc, imo.
Hy,
Are you suggesting a ptc with only one level of membership, and where the person who goes have to had verified account? is it?
Or is suggesting two levels, with a verified account, and another without being checked?
Whether either situation, it is completely unfair to those who have no credit card found that it is said to be the majority, because who needs money is who normaly gets at these things (ptc), and these people usually do not have a credit card, so they are unverified.
By limiting these people was just to limit the disclosure of my site and seek to kill him quickly.
Also, what are the differences between the two types of clickers (Click value, rent ref, cashout, etc.)?
I await a response
Titito
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Papay Mark,
Please post your explanation. I really need to go now, but as soon as i get one ptc i will come here just to see if i understand what do you mean, cause i really didn´t undertand what benefict would this bring to "our" ptc.
By the other hand, this looks to me EXACTLY the kind of suggestions/thinking i am looking for someone to have (outside the box).
I am so sorry i don't have more time....
Please explain it with easy. Remember my bad english
Ty VERY MUCH for this post
Titito
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I see that you do not believe in the eventual success of PTC sites, so i think of why you are this here, if you do not believe
no i don't believe on most of them ,but i do invest and i do join...but i know when they will scam ...so i move fast and i cash out as much as i can.most of the time i get my RIO plus profit when others are crying for their investment.so sorry for them.
so I am willing to invest in, but only after many accounts and many suggestions and thoughts.
that is where you might lose your money.the best way is study the site and if you think the admin worked hard on his site and spend alot of money then invest right away.But to wait and to think and wait for suggestions then sorry my friend you would be scammed.
I already have some scripts borrowed by colleagues for me to better understand and study them so that there are no mistakes or unexpected accidents in the moment of truth.
do you think the others do the same as you?no ..they don't even do their math ,and to top it all most of them are kids not knowing what they are doing.
well, waiting for your site ,so make it the best.
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I am not talking about ptcjackpot, for one, that only pays verified PP members.
I don´t agree with it.
1st part: Utopy.
When you put (buy) an advertisement, you have a choice: All members or Only upgraded members.
Advertisers want to sell their goods. If an upgraded member only transfered money from his PP to yours, what is the use?
This is the old cheaters scheme.
Buy upgrade, find some refs, don´t matter if fake, robots or dups, profit, cash out and request a chargeback.
You lose money, your PP ends up frozen > gone, you have to change the tos, delay payments, invent diipa-daapas, etc etc.
Most members are honest, but the few cheaters will ruin your site.
Cheaters love 1 cent sites.
If a member has a credit card linked to his PP, he has the real power to buy goods.
So, I think it is UNFAIR show ads and goods for members that will NEVER buy.
So: Standard members and Verified members.
Verified members will have more ads and some facilities, like FEW % more for direct refs, faster payments and things like this, carefully calculated.
This is an example of an upgrade that costs $10 per year:
http://wordlinx.com/upgrade_verified.php
From 2005 to 2010 they only accepted upgrades with verified PP acc. They survived for 5 years. Now it is not needed anymore.
You will succeed, first of all, if you have the acknowledgment and the ability to find and attract ADVERTISERS.
With plenty of advertisers, no upgrades needed, no rent refs, no complaints about bots, no delays, no changes on tos, no risks.
2nd part: Real world
In the real ptc world, 90% (ayman help me) or more of the advertisers are other ptcs, investment schemes or blogs. Ptc advertising ptc in ptc sites.
A ptc wants members to register, buy upgrades, buy advertisements, buy refs,
don´t matter if they have or not a verified account.
So, I don´t think that there is a formula for succeeding, because it ends up depending on the MAN (or girl ;D), depends on the OWNER(s)
That is why few aurora´s succeed and thousands other fail. Same with other scripts or self-made scripts.
In the end, IMO, success does not depend much on the scheme.
It depends on the OWNER´S ability to:
> Find and attract advertisers. It is money in/ money out. If not, it is a ponzi and will fail soon.
> Calculate carefully the values. It is not easy. Upgraded members can only earn a little more if they have 10+, maybe 20+ direct referrals. Else, he may only THINK that he is in profit.
Kids don´t do the math. You must to have the ability of make a member THINK that it is a good deal. One of the many ways to do this is give him more ads. Actually, it is nothing, no profit because the member could just go to other ptc and click more ads without paying for this. And you already have stuck ads to deliver. Other is to give the member the permission of having more direct refs :laugh: seems it is working around as a benefit to the member only... More: set him low cash out values =:)) For heavens´s sake, If he already invested, for example $10, why would he bothers in cash out $0,10 ? But it seems work well with the kids. They will put more proofs to promote YOU, and they will pay for it!!!
> Choose the most adequate script for your needs;
> Create an attractive design;
> Buy tools to avoid cheaters; and, of course
> MARKETING. You must find ways to make the member thinks that your site is a real-deal.
See incrisebux, for one. Few members really profit while thousands lose money. They do the marketing in a way that the member THINKS that will be or is in profit.
There is no magic. It is money in / money out. If you profit 100, 10 other members will lose 10 each, in a way or in other.
> As Melgibson mentioned, study. Study the successful ptcs. Wordlinx, Clixsense, linkgrand, neo, matrixmails; Auroras like Cashons/cashertise, bestcashcliks, cashnhits that is suffering with many experiments to survive and few others.
> The ability of to adapt to the circumstances....
Study the successful sites. Forget buxhosts.
Ptc is in the scene for about 15 years and no formula has proven to be "the one". The successful sites are different from each other
If you have the abilities above mentioned, then you only need experience now.
That is why you need an initial investment to prepare your ptc and have cash for the unexpected to come.
But your point is "what is outside the box ?"
I will divert from this point until other member answers ;D
Segment extracted from Papai´s e-book
"How to make a post that no one will read down to the end"
c 2011
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Segment extracted from Papai´s e-book
"How to make a post that no one will read down to the end"
c 2011
i must have missed reading the e-book ;D
great post +1
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I am not talking about ptcjackpot, for one, that only pays verified PP members.
I don´t agree with it.
1st part: Utopy.
When you put (buy) an advertisement, you have a choice: All members or Only upgraded members.
Advertisers want to sell their goods. If an upgraded member only transfered money from his PP to yours, what is the use?
This is the old cheaters scheme.
Buy upgrade, find some refs, don´t matter if fake, robots or dups, profit, cash out and request a chargeback.
You lose money, your PP ends up frozen > gone, you have to change the tos, delay payments, invent diipa-daapas, etc etc.
Most members are honest, but the few cheaters will ruin your site.
Cheaters love 1 cent sites.
If a member has a credit card linked to his PP, he has the real power to buy goods.
So, I think it is UNFAIR show ads and goods for members that will NEVER buy.
So: Standard members and Verified members.
Verified members will have more ads and some facilities, like FEW % more for direct refs, faster payments and things like this, carefully calculated.
This is an example of an upgrade that costs $10 per year:
http://wordlinx.com/upgrade_verified.php
From 2005 to 2010 they only accepted upgrades with verified PP acc. They survived for 5 years. Now it is not needed anymore.
You will succeed, first of all, if you have the acknowledgment and the ability to find and attract ADVERTISERS.
With plenty of advertisers, no upgrades needed, no rent refs, no complaints about bots, no delays, no changes on tos, no risks.
2nd part: Real world
In the real ptc world, 90% (ayman help me) or more of the advertisers are other ptcs, investment schemes or blogs. Ptc advertising ptc in ptc sites.
A ptc wants members to register, buy upgrades, buy advertisements, buy refs,
don´t matter if they have or not a verified account.
So, I don´t think that there is a formula for succeeding, because it ends up depending on the MAN (or girl ;D), depends on the OWNER(s)
That is why few aurora´s succeed and thousands other fail. Same with other scripts or self-made scripts.
In the end, IMO, success does not depend much on the scheme.
It depends on the OWNER´S ability to:
> Find and attract advertisers. It is money in/ money out. If not, it is a ponzi and will fail soon.
> Calculate carefully the values. It is not easy. Upgraded members can only earn a little more if they have 10+, maybe 20+ direct referrals. Else, he may only THINK that he is in profit.
Kids don´t do the math. You must to have the ability of make a member THINK that it is a good deal. One of the many ways to do this is give him more ads. Actually, it is nothing, no profit because the member could just go to other ptc and click more ads without paying for this. And you already have stuck ads to deliver. Other is to give the member the permission of having more direct refs :laugh: seems it is working around as a benefit to the member only... More: set him low cash out values =:)) For heavens´s sake, If he already invested, for example $10, why would he bothers in cash out $0,10 ? But it seems work well with the kids. They will put more proofs to promote YOU, and they will pay for it!!!
> Choose the most adequate script for your needs;
> Create an attractive design;
> Buy tools to avoid cheaters; and, of course
> MARKETING. You must find ways to make the member thinks that your site is a real-deal.
See incrisebux, for one. Few members really profit while thousands lose money. They do the marketing in a way that the member THINKS that will be or is in profit.
There is no magic. It is money in / money out. If you profit 100, 10 other members will lose 10 each, in a way or in other.
> As Melgibson mentioned, study. Study the successful ptcs. Wordlinx, Clixsense, linkgrand, neo, matrixmails; Auroras like Cashons/cashertise, bestcashcliks, cashnhits that is suffering with many experiments to survive and few others.
> The ability of to adapt to the circumstances....
Study the successful sites. Forget buxhosts.
Ptc is in the scene for about 15 years and no formula has proven to be "the one". The successful sites are different from each other
If you have the abilities above mentioned, then you only need experience now.
That is why you need an initial investment to prepare your ptc and have cash for the unexpected to come.
But your point is "what is outside the box ?"
I will divert from this point until other member answers ;D
Segment extracted from Papai´s e-book
"How to make a post that no one will read down to the end"
c 2011
Great post. I think I need to learn from you.