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PTC Discussion => General PTC Chat. => Topic started by: ranjiths on March 24, 2010, 06:49:17 AM
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many users say not to believe in bux host sites
why?
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When everyone of them going to disappear only a fool will believe them.
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when they don't have to pay for hosting they seem to think
they can offer rediculous amounts per click and ref click
but ad rates are unsustainable. so they fold. wasting everyones time and money.
when a site has to factor in hosting costs and site design costs fee and pay structure
do change drasticly until site is self sustaining. That is why i won't join a
Buxhost site. Unstable and with inexperienced people running them!
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mainly for 3 reasons :
1- they pay 25$ monthly to buxhost , for managing and running the site , and 25$ at any site start makes it hard for owners to start good work
2- so they start to sell lots of memberships , give strange click rates , for example 0.02$ per click as a member you will surely love it
but do you prefer to get 0.02$ for 1 month or 0.01 for 10 months , that doesn't mean other bux sites will last , they all die sooner or later , but lower clicks rate will give advertisers some courage to use these sites
3- in hidden bux for example , i'm 100% sure there are no real advertiser
who is the stupid who will pay these ads prices :
HERE IS THE LIST OF OUR ADVERTISEMENT PACKAGES.
•250 clicks for $25
•500 clicks for $40
•1000 clicks for $90
•2000 clicks for $175
•5,000 clicks for $425
;D you get 250 clicks for 25$ :o why , are those angels who do the clicks
;D i would take the 25$ and buy my girlfriend an ipod
or the 40$ and buy her ;D some DVDs
if i got the 425$ ;D will take her to hawaii and marry her
so no advertisers will never come to buxhost sites
it just money transfer
takes money from your wallet and pay others from your upgrade
till they get too bored
or they earn enough
or they fail
then ;D you will come here saying bux sux , or buxlost took my money like a ghost
so you can join buxhost sites as you like
but never invest
keep your earnings safe ;)
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ehhh ayman, you are really in love with someone.
Post her photo for us, I am sure you will be proud of showing it. ;D
Sorry for the off-topic..
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ehhh ayman, you are really in love with someone.
Post her photo for us, I am sure you will be proud of showing it. ;D
Sorry for the off-topic..
;D i'm proud of her without showing her pics
some day you might see my pic with her
maybe when we get our bux.to payment ;D
but i promise if we had a pic to be posted online
i will post it here ::)
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I somewhat disagree with all buxhost sites. It looks like I did find one that was legit at least in the first payment. Originalbux.com
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Hi have a buxsite but i am not scamming people and people are getting paid I dont pay silly amounts per click just 0.0003 per click which is reasonable I think and I am paying instantly at 5 cents for standard members and 1 cent for premium members. I am based in the UK and have been clicking for a while now and so far I am happy with my ptc site I wont be scamming anyone because I have been scammed so many times with ptc so I wanted to make sure everyone gets paid none of this people only get paid once a month everyone gets their money when they ask for it.
http://www.intrigueclickers.com
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I know alot of them are scam, but some of them are trusted sites i'm a member in 2goodbux.com and this site paid to me
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I know alot of them are scam, but some of them are trusted sites i'm a member in 2goodbux.com and this site paid to me
from the TOS
4) All payments are made via AlertPay,no other payment method is being used at this time.
We will endeavour to process and issue your payment request via AlertPay within 60 business days.All earnings listed and/or represented by 2goodbux.com are estimated value(s), actual value(s) subject to change with or without notice.
Members must be active atleast 5 days a week to receive their payments.
:D :D :D
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Obviously most of you people screaming at buxhost sites should be ashamed of yourselves.
Certainly you do not have a clue of what you are talking about.
I have joined several bux sites and it is true that some sites a scams.
But you can generalize and say all buxhost sites are sacms.
I have been a member of hiddenbux for allmost 2 months now and they have paid me like clockwork every time.
And right now I am going for my seventh payment.
So what you say is BS.
In your terms if I was scammed by somebody running a GEN4 script should I then run around claiming that all GEN4 sites are scams - I think not.
The bare fact is that with this much business going on,on the internet there will always be somebody scamming people.
What about all these sites promising you that you can earn this and this much if you buy their progran/ebook or whatever and then you pay 29,49,79 or even more and than you don´t make a cent.
Isn´t that a scam too then.
So if you would please stick to your own experiences and don´t generalize I think this Forum would be better off.
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I don't think anyone in this thread say all buxhosts are scams.
There are a few that are still out there but they all disappear eventually.
Hiddenbux TOS:
14) Briefly once more;
About Instant Payments
Instant Payments only to Upgraded members. You can request payment with your account balance has reached $ their minimum payout limits.They can be changed any time we change our decision without asking to the members.If a member does not accept these changes his account will be removed.. Payments are made via PayPal or Alertpay only. Payment waiting time is 60 business day(s). All earnings listed and/or represented by neopays.com are estimated value(s), actual value(s) subject to change with or without notice.
a site can pay you whatever they want and you can be happy about it, but i prefer to know how much i'm actually clicking for and to receive that exact amount.
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welcome mr chaepweb, who scammed you today? you shouldn't let it affect you like this :D
the topic starter is asking for opinions!!
did you even read the thread? nobody says all buxhost sites are scam :D
nobody but you is screaming
our 'TERMS' are equal for buxhost and gen4 buxes
this is the buxhost board, how many forums have a buxhost board or even allow buxhost sites?
just for the sake of statistics check the posts on this board. every topic with a lock on it respresents a dead buxhost site
the oldest site posted is september 2009. 74 out of 135 sites died within 2 months.
now tell me again why we should trust buxhost sites........
now try reeading instead of screaming and you will find the same kind of topics about gen4 auroras and any other kind of sites
btw nice pitch for hiddenbux :D
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Hi have a buxsite but i am not scamming people and people are getting paid I dont pay silly amounts per click just 0.0003 per click which is reasonable I think and I am paying instantly at 5 cents for standard members and 1 cent for premium members. I am based in the UK and have been clicking for a while now and so far I am happy with my ptc site I wont be scamming anyone because I have been scammed so many times with ptc so I wanted to make sure everyone gets paid none of this people only get paid once a month everyone gets their money when they ask for it.
http://www.intrigueclickers.com
Site is parked :laugh:
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There are bux host sites that scam but others not...I paid in bux site..,
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ehhh ayman, you are really in love with someone.
Post her photo for us, I am sure you will be proud of showing it. ;D
Sorry for the off-topic..
;D i'm proud of her without showing her pics
some day you might see my pic with her
maybe when we get our bux.to payment ;D
but i promise if we had a pic to be posted online
i will post it here ::)
Are you still hoping to get your payment through bux.to? Man, I cashed out July 2009 the amount of $999.00 and till this day, I am still in the audit process.
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this thread includes valuable infos for newbies
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Hi have a buxsite but i am not scamming people and people are getting paid I dont pay silly amounts per click just 0.0003 per click which is reasonable I think and I am paying instantly at 5 cents for standard members and 1 cent for premium members. I am based in the UK and have been clicking for a while now and so far I am happy with my ptc site I wont be scamming anyone because I have been scammed so many times with ptc so I wanted to make sure everyone gets paid none of this people only get paid once a month everyone gets their money when they ask for it.
http://www.intrigueclickers.com
.... gone.
mmmuhahaha :laugh:
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Hi,
Based on my experiences in ptc world, it is not the buxhost script to blame but the admin of certain ptc site who is turn to scammer. There are also many ptc other than buxhost site is also scam people ( you name it because I thought you knew). So, we can't blame buxhost site alone.... It always the admin problems who become scumbag...
I'm not judging ptc site because of his host, domain, scripts or other features....we must examine carefully about ptc plan I means what that certain site offer...is it to high return or reasonable return...who is admin.. if what they offer look reasonable than we try it.
Anyway, I'm still love to join and click ptc site compare to hyip because all hyip are comfirm 99% scumbag...I'm not joining ptc site to get rich quickly, just to add my pocket money....I'm join it with minimal cost so if they turn scumbag, only minimal loss to me...
There are still many trusted ptc site likes neobux, incrasebux etc...
Thank you to all members who read my post...just want to shares something useful here.
:-bd
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NOT ALL BUXHOST SITE IS SCAM. I HAVE A FAVORITE BUXHOST SITE, I HAVE INVESTED $5 TO UPGRADE MEMBERSHIP AND I GOT PAYMENT $22. IT'S NOT BAD. :-bd
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Recently ,I was scammed by labpay.com which is not buxhost site. Aobux also in doubtful.....see it is not related to script...it's all about scammer admin.
yesterday, I got my payment from one of my buxhost ptc site that I've joined....
8)
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Recently ,I was scammed by labpay.com which is not buxhost site. Aobux also in doubtful.....see it is not related to script...it's all about scammer admin.
yesterday, I got my payment from one of my buxhost ptc site that I've joined....
8)
CONGRATZ! :-bd
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I would appreciate if you could post the name of these sites.
If you dare...
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I would appreciate if you could post the name of these sites.
If you dare...
I was paid by limitedbux and klclickers....
What do you mean by "If you dare"?
I joined labpay, iibux, aobux..not pay. I lost my upgrade.
:'(
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What do you mean by "If you dare"?
To associate your name with sites that possibly will die in a very short time.
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Likewise, I'll do same thing for your site...
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i would not judge on buxhost site because of a few bad experiences i have my own buxhost site called KayKlicks and dont EVER wish to scam my members, i am legit and do not offer membership upgrade or advertisements at silly prices, my standard member get 0.005 per click and to upgrade to mercury is only $3 which then you get 0.01 per click. advertisement rates are reasonable IMO 500 clicks for $1.50 or 10000 banner views for $1.
I havent paid anyone yet as i have only just opened my bux site but i cant wait for members to reach payout so i can pay them and prove to other that this is a buxhost site to stay.
but i think that because there is so many buxhost sites ran by people who think they going to make profit in the first month quit and close their site because they do not make any profit in the first month without hard work being put in and in my opinion most people can not be bothered with advertising their website and getting it promoted and just give in hence the reason why most close down.
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i would not judge on buxhost site because of a few bad experiences i have my own buxhost site called KayKlicks and dont EVER wish to scam my members, i am legit and do not offer membership upgrade or advertisements at silly prices, my standard member get 0.005 per click and to upgrade to mercury is only $3 which then you get 0.01 per click. advertisement rates are reasonable IMO 500 clicks for $1.50 or 10000 banner views for $1.
I havent paid anyone yet as i have only just opened my bux site but i cant wait for members to reach payout so i can pay them and prove to other that this is a buxhost site to stay.
but i think that because there is so many buxhost sites ran by people who think they going to make profit in the first month quit and close their site because they do not make any profit in the first month without hard work being put in and in my opinion most people can not be bothered with advertising their website and getting it promoted and just give in hence the reason why most close down.
IMHO, you are running a ponzi scheme and if people dont upgrade you will in fact scam your members. If you are paying 0.005 per click, that means 200 clicks will cost you $1.00, therefore 300 clicks will cost YOU $1.50 but you are selling 500 clicks for $1.50, shortfall of 200 clicks which is worth $1.00. So every 500 click package you sell costs YOU $1.00.
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and do you think that matters to me? no, i enjoy what im doing and i love the PTC community, i am earning from other PTCs so whether i make money off my own doesnt really matter to me i am in it for the members not for the money.
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and do you think that matters to me? no, i enjoy what im doing and i love the PTC community, i am earning from other PTCs so whether i make money off my own doesnt really matter to me i am in it for the members not for the money.
You cant possibly be in it for the members, because you will scam the members...
Good luck to you and your members...
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Definately not all BuxHost sites are scam. To say more I have the feeling these days there are a lot of good BuxHost websites. Mostly the sites that give their payout in %. Meaning they can cashout like 125% or 250% every cashout of their investment (upgrade accounts, rent referals, ...).
These websites get an investment of every payment requesting member what makes them possible to keep paying their members.
Example of these: http://fantasiabux.com or a very new one http://buxdome.com
Also some special buxhosts are doing great.
Like http://buxinfinity.com where you can rent referals forever (recycling and renewing is free), has already over 140.000 members
Or http://clix-cents.com with a special payout system , 28.000 members, over 42.000 $ payed
These sites are really stable and they don't look to become a scam
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I agree not all are scam, but there are a big numbers of them. I sign up in severals, I think the key is like some post here, the ADMIN, at the moment the only trusted site of this (bux host) is http://www.infinitybux.com it has more than 140.000 members (in least that 1 year) and almost 1000 new ones every day, it has some ideas and when you start to see it you will figure out that they are making money so the probably will stay, also the Admin is alway post information and talking with the users.
Clix-cents has a good Admin too but this days they have problems hope they resolved but you never know, the Admin of this site also have another one Clix-centslite, but today they said they are no okay and make some changes ( See the post Clix-centslite remove autosponsor ads, in ptc news).
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not a all buxhosts are scam but a majority are. Mainly being people who start them do not know how to run them or they do not know how to sustain them. Many of the people do not even know how long they will be up because they pay by the month to be live, so its when ever they want to pull the plug. If you use these sites look for a 1 year + badge under the main bar. They cant edit those and are placed by buxhost.
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i would not judge on buxhost site because of a few bad experiences i have my own buxhost site called KayKlicks and dont EVER wish to scam my members, i am legit and do not offer membership upgrade or advertisements at silly prices, my standard member get 0.005 per click and to upgrade to mercury is only $3 which then you get 0.01 per click. advertisement rates are reasonable IMO 500 clicks for $1.50 or 10000 banner views for $1.
I havent paid anyone yet as i have only just opened my bux site but i cant wait for members to reach payout so i can pay them and prove to other that this is a buxhost site to stay.
but i think that because there is so many buxhost sites ran by people who think they going to make profit in the first month quit and close their site because they do not make any profit in the first month without hard work being put in and in my opinion most people can not be bothered with advertising their website and getting it promoted and just give in hence the reason why most close down.
So you lasted till about March 11.... good job!
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Very useful information on this topic. Thank you all for sharing.
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i would not judge on buxhost site because of a few bad experiences i have my own buxhost site called KayKlicks and dont EVER wish to scam my members, i am legit and do not offer membership upgrade or advertisements at silly prices, my standard member get 0.005 per click and to upgrade to mercury is only $3 which then you get 0.01 per click. advertisement rates are reasonable IMO 500 clicks for $1.50 or 10000 banner views for $1.
I havent paid anyone yet as i have only just opened my bux site but i cant wait for members to reach payout so i can pay them and prove to other that this is a buxhost site to stay.
but i think that because there is so many buxhost sites ran by people who think they going to make profit in the first month quit and close their site because they do not make any profit in the first month without hard work being put in and in my opinion most people can not be bothered with advertising their website and getting it promoted and just give in hence the reason why most close down.
IMHO, you are running a ponzi scheme and if people dont upgrade you will in fact scam your members. If you are paying 0.005 per click, that means 200 clicks will cost you $1.00, therefore 300 clicks will cost YOU $1.50 but you are selling 500 clicks for $1.50, shortfall of 200 clicks which is worth $1.00. So every 500 click package you sell costs YOU $1.00.
This is exactly the problem with inexperienced admins / stupid scammers, they never do the math :laugh:
Argue with their system, and you get this:
and do you think that matters to me? no, i enjoy what im doing and i love the PTC community, i am earning from other PTCs so whether i make money off my own doesnt really matter to me i am in it for the members not for the money.
Ah, life.
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yes and yes we should not belive in buxhost
i joined 5 of them in oroder to collect some money i invested, i bought an premuim mebership 2 of them closed before i make a cashout and the other 3 scammed me so dont trust them even for advertisors so whats the purpose of advertising if the site may close
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InfinityBux-family (infinityBux, TVIPTC, ForeverBux, BuxSecure, PowerfulBux) are an exception. They are all bux host sites, but they have the same trusted owner.
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I think its really up to the individual AND also the members as to whether a Bux site lives or dies. I read in one of the earlier posts here that you need to really do your maths, and this is SO true, you have to weigh up your profit against how much your members will earn. If you dont make a profit you will lose interest and your site will collapse, if your members don't make any money, they will not return to your site, you will again lose your profit and again will collapse.
Having said that a lot has to do with the members as well, I think that they should invest something in one way or another either renting referrals and/or upgrading their membership as this will keep the Bux site nicely oiled and running smoothly where everyone is happy.
I have just opened my Bux site a couple of days ago, http://pimpmybux.com great name dont you think??
and like so many other owners does not want to turn scammer as this leaves a nasty taste in ones mouth.
So, what I am doing is offering the members who upgrade a 'special bonus' in which, hopefully will make them another income stream.
Before I started my site I joined so many other Bux sites and studied them, and after a while you can almost spot the ones that will succeed and the ones that will fail. So my method is to go along the same ways as the successful sites and not offer rediculous click rates etc.
Anyway, thanks for reading. Wish me luck with Pimpmybux.com
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I think any site that puts some form of "trust" or "Always paying" in the slogan is destined to go down.
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....Having said that a lot has to do with the members as well, I think that they should invest something in one way or another either renting referrals and/or upgrading their membership as this will keep the Bux site nicely oiled and running smoothly where everyone is happy.
I have just opened my Bux site a couple of days ago, http://pimpmybux.com great name dont you think??.....
Well, first of all, Congrats for your new site!
Second, You are so right when blame on members... Of course that any ptc site (not just bux host) where doesn't have a steady in come flux of money from members, either in upgrades or ads will go down/become scam.
Third, i looked for your site, and it is no more... What hapen?
Now for all people, i would like to say that i had idea to open one ptc with click value near $0.01/$0.012, but my (weak) math said "that's not good idea"... and for many times i tryed to get around, always come to the same conclusion: THAT'S NOT SUSTEINABLE!!! It doesn't matter what kind of script.
For any ptc, the main stream of money, aren't "upgrades" or "rent refs"!!! Although it has is weight, the most important flow comes from people advertising on site. And this is true for buxhost, zeus, ptce, aurora, gen4, or other script.
This is why buxhost is not destined to scammers. ::bang
What trully happens is that this is the cheapest script+host on the market, so scammers will get it, as many honest people that doesn't have a clue on manage ptc will also get it.
This is why so many bux host sites are scam!!! Don't blame on the script... Blame on people, the true guilty ones... ::swearing
Besides, as i said before, i would like (i had idea) to have one ptc of my own, so i have contacted some script suppliers and made some questions. Amoung those questions, have inserted some other questions (natural for scammers) just to check how were is honesty, and surprise surprise... Bux host were the only ones that doesn't want to be part on scams!!! How about that!? =D>
Here it is a bit of buxhost answers:
(Quoting Buxhost answer)
Re: Create ad-ons by request
Hello Luis,
Thank you for your interest in our services. I will answer your questions below.
1) Is it possible to adjust present script to divide direct refs each member gets, half for member who get it and hlaf for site? For examaple, for each 2 direct ref member get, first ref is direct ref of member, and second ref is nobody ref (ref site)? Can it be done automatic or has to be manual? If not possible at present script, is it possible for you to create one ad-on to do it? For how much?
No, this is not possible unfortunately. You can manually unhook referrals and add them to your rental pool, but this smells like scam. I wonder if your future members would like such a policy. Due to this 'scam' issue it won't be supported by the script, but it's up to you if you would do it manually.
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5) By the way, click bots. Have any? Does script bring some? Whats the price if i want to buy some?
No, bots are used to scam members and are therefore not supported. I know that PTCPay.com and PTCEvolution.com are offering bot-addons though.
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(End quoting)
I can also add that others suppliers have agreed to provide these ad-ons that I required, with no problems at all!!!
So as you can see, the problem is not on BuxHost.
More, if i comme to hapen my ptc ::goodboy, the script is most likely to be from them, although i know that decision will make MANY good clickers stay away, what will probably cause/be my doom, because without nice people buying ads, no ptc go much further away :'(
Best Regards to all
Titito
P.S. If you wich to see topic about ideas for my ptc, please see: http://www.talkptc.com/index.php?topic=31660.30
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Because any one can get if for $25 and do what ever they want.
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Because you shouldn't believe in sites that have 0 organization or have unlogical click rates and upgrades.
The problem is not into BUX-HOST as a script the problem is always in people that creating these sites.
Join my site and you'll see you'll get paid without any major issues.
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As an owner of a buxhost site I am curious as to what people want in a PTC?
I have sought advice and studied the trends of other sites on Buxhost (That do pay) and am stunned to see the VAST array of settings and different offers. Competition is good and if every site were the same it would get boring. I want to know what it is people want in general and how to create a sustainable site. Selling ads is nearly impossible and it appears I have a TON of members from CHINA! Tips, suggestions anyone?
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pls! how can i get daily new ptc sites apart from buxhost
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Selling ads is nearly impossible and it appears I have a TON of members from CHINA! Tips, suggestions anyone?
The ads don't really sell, because PTC traffic just doesn't convert. And that's because majority of PTC users in general are from 3rd world countries, unwilling to invest (even on legit sites that go years back) and just generally pretty damn stupid to be ultimately happy when they earn $0.10 after clicking day in, day out for a month.
What would you expect to sell for such person? That's right, nothing... That's the reason why hardly anyone bothers actually buying ads, since the conversion rate sucks so bad.
Some months back I was thinking about opening my own PTC site, but now I'm just thinking that I make more with just being an user that invests. It just ain't worth the time...
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Im thinking of getting a buxhost site myself but I see many users on this forum and the forum owners are against them.
People here say it costs $25 per month and that the owners of buxhost sites pay month to month.
This is not true most buxhost sites have paid in advance for on avarage 5 years subscription and most owners also pay for a private server.
It doesnt cost as much as $25 a month to use the buxhost scriped either as I keep seeing members here saying it does.
1 Month $25.00
3 Months $59.00
6 Months $99.00
12 Months $129.
36 Months $199.
60 Months $249.
With such small margins anyone can make a PTC site substainable, Infact the AlertPay (Payza) fees would be more than the script price per month at
$0.25 + 2.5% example 10 advertisers pay $1.00 = $2.80 in AlertPay fees alone.
I use this $1.00 because, Going on to point 2
Members here say they pay to much per click,
Wrong now adays the average Pay Per Click on buxhost sites is about $0.002 and even lower.
As the click rate is now so low owners can actualy pay members for the click they make as long as they remember to add the AlertPay fees into their overheads. I mention AlertPay as they are the highest fees.
I think this forum should stop giving buxhost sites such a bad name, yeah when they first where around they where full of bad admins who didnt know how to do the math or just an outright scammer.
I have alot of money set aside to get a buxhost PTC site started Im just going over my bussiness plan before I go ahead and purchase it and I will never become a scammer I have no need to scam people.
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We don't give them a bad name. They do it by themselves.
(Think I heard is somewhere :P)
OnlineEarners, see the facts. They speak by themselves.
> With 0,002 per click the owner can't profit enough to pay the BH and members and cheaters.
> With 1¢ per click they can't find advertisers.
> If you have this money, you won't choose buxhost. Or the money is not yours (mom&dad) or you are a noob.
> in both cases, they are unable to handle a business. This business is not a sharp math.
> In a nutshell, buxhost costumers do not know what they are doing.
-Cheaters make many accounts, request refund and use a lot of tricks to cheat buxhosts because THEY KNOW that the noobs are there.
Yes, I know, whatever script is, all will end one day but it happens much much more with BHs.
I am merging this topic with the existing one so you can read all pros and contras.
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Best example is bemabux, buxp.
These are buxhost sites that is stable now also.
So, all buxhost is not ghost.
Site is totally depends on admin of that site.
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What buxp?
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I dont believe now days cuz continuously 3 trusted site scammed me.. I never got paid in buxhost site. :bang
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Lol armom. I hav +200 ips and enough email address. I make my own referral and get paid within one week. It is awesome but sucks sometimes.
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Lol armom. I hav +200 ips and enough email address. I make my own referral and get paid within one week. It is awesome but sucks sometimes.
cheater detected! seal the doors!
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Dark future to phd-clix and phd-bux:
Hello Members,
Welcome to PHD group,
I am the new co-admin of...I am committing to bring good changes to our site, my first aim is to bring PAYPAL & PAYZA back with mass payments enabled...
1- Who is " I " ? ? ? What is this? a bad joke?
2- Is phd being sold? or was it already sold?
3- Payza clearly stated that is NOT supporting ptc any more. What kind of statement is this? He already lost his 2 accs.
4- PayPal is also getting rid from "this business" .
Annnda....
Another buxhost gone today after 1 month: MileHighBux (Tanner Lastelick , US) (http://tlastelick@yahoo.com)
It has come to my attention that my novice abilities to lead a successful PTC site have fallen short of the expectations that all you members have held me to. It is with great dissatisfaction that i'm leaving the PTC business for awhile. I will spend the next couple months gaining funds and studying successful ptc sites. I will proudly reopen with MileHighBux V2.0 sometime in February. :) Im sorry that i failed you guys and i apologize to the people who did not get to reach the minimum cash out for milehighbux :/ If you would like to vent your anger or speak with me my email is milehighbux@yahoo.com
P.S. If you think you can do better than me, I'm willing to sell the site over to the highest bidder. The site expires January 09/13. Email me Milehighbux@yahoo.com
-Your MileHighBux Admin ad
He allowed China and realized the mistake too late. He also gave a significant amount in purchase bal.
After all, All he had were self sponsored ads and cheaters.